Why are chess championships held separately for women and men? This is not an admission that a woman and a man are not equal in intelligence?

Why are chess championships held separately for women and men? This is not an admission that a woman and a man are not equal in intelligence?

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Answer 1
August, 2021

Chess is a mathematical game, not an intellectual one. A woman's brain is better adapted to calculus. The level of intelligence has nothing to do with it.

Answer 2
August, 2021

The answer is very simple - blood supply for women is slower than for men. Accordingly, the brain is less well supplied with oxygen and cannot work in the same mode as in men.

Answer 3
August, 2021

women and men are already a mistake of thinking. And if we divide it formally, then in stupid men's ventures such as football and chess, of course, women will not sweat to the marrow of their bones. Only for social adaptation, perhaps. Strategically smarter in these corrals in a hole do not waste energy

Answer 4
August, 2021

The average (!) intelligence of men and women is the same. Look at the school how many excellent students and excellent students, gold medalists, etc. But it is not necessary to transfer this to the Olympiads in mathematics, physics, etc., since the best compete there - there the girls lose. But hold a competition between the "worst" - the girls will win with defeat. Total draw.

Answer 5
August, 2021

All this is conditional. Any woman can play with a world champion if she qualifies. Unfortunately, women do not have such results.
Therefore, we decided to introduce a female title - world champion.

Answer 6
August, 2021

Only a woman (and a feminist, too) could probably ask such a stupid question. Chess is a sports discipline. Any sport is held separately for M / W, unless there is a separate mixed category.

PS: Maybe then we will have the same underwear, clothes, and even bicycles, let's make the same? And separate hygiene products will not be needed. The list goes on.

Answer 7
August, 2021

There are other types of sports intellectual games where women are only a few! For example, an e-sports game which is STATE in Korea! This is STARCRAFT 2 real-time strategy! And the only woman known today who stands tall but still falls short of world champions like Serral is SCARLETT (Sasha Hostin) from Canada. And besides, I would like to note that due to state support and a strong school, Koreans are generally in the lead in the total mass of players. Their average rating is significantly higher than in the USA or Europe.

Answer 8
August, 2021

Because men play better and joint competitions make no sense. No, I'm not going to offend women, but the fact remains. And please don’t remember Judit Polgar… don’t!
With all the respect she deserves, Judit is a special case that does not refute the general rule. and failed.

Answer 9
August, 2021

In team sports, there are many examples when a young talented player, who seemed to have everything "with him" - technique, speed, tactical thinking and hard work - completely failed at the adult level. Journalists in such cases use clichés such as "lacked character", "failed to reorganize", indicating that an athlete, in addition to physical skills, also needs specific psychological ones. In chess, "physics" is replaced by intelligence, and sports psychology is present as is. That is why chess is a sport. And in the field of sports psychology, there are significant differences between men and women.

Answer 10
August, 2021

It's just that women are not interested in chess. Because they are not interesting. And they don't want to waste time on things that are not interesting. I don't know of a single woman who is interested in chess, and therefore the sample of women is much smaller than the sample of men in the field of interest in chess, which means that the competition is incomparably less from the start.

Answer 11
August, 2021

Nature has created men and women different in structure and purpose. Equality became possible only socially, thanks to such a concept as equal rights of social individuals.

I turn to chess. I used to play in tournaments in the team of our organization. I'm just an amateur, but we didn't have a better candidate for the 3rd board. And our leader, Misha Ivanov, the master told me: the main thing in a team game is calmness and faith in the enemy. If you are calm, sooner or later he will substitute.

According to my observations, and according to literature, women are more emotional. My answer to your question is this: It's not about intelligence, but more natural emotionality.

Answer 12
August, 2021

It's not about intelligence.

How many have not watched the girls play for the national team of the university - they are simply not assiduous. Where it is necessary to make 5-6 "empty", wait-and-see moves in position or to slowly regroup forces, they always break down and attack. Again, they keep concentration worse - in women's chess, a series of moves shah-shah-shah-ate (mistake) often leads to a complete reversal in the game. Whether this is due to the peculiarity of the psyche, motor skills, desire and ability to do exclusively one thing (hobby), I don’t know, but it’s definitely not about intelligence

Answer 13
August, 2021

No, it is a recognition that the strongest male players are significantly stronger than the strongest female players. This testifies that the most intelligent women do not want to devote themselves to chess, considering it a stupid occupation. (It's a joke if someone doesn't understand. I myself love chess.)

Answer 14
August, 2021

It's just that men are stronger, faster, harder to argue stupid. It is obvious. But the fact that men have more mental abilities, for some reason, causes dissatisfaction with a certain part of the female sex. It is clear, this is not so obvious, kilograms, seconds cannot be sewn here and one can argue. Although a bunch of equally objective factors for normal people fully prove this.

Answer 15
August, 2021

Cross-country skiing is also held separately for women and men. But this does not mean that I am able to overtake at least a first-class woman :) And at least 2 billion men will definitely not be able to win chess against a woman grandmaster.

Chess tournaments can be mixed, and as far as I remember women get into the top ten.

Answer 16
August, 2021

Milunka Lazarevich answered: Women play chess worse than men because they give life to those who play chess better than them. Quite a decent answer in my opinion.

Answer 17
August, 2021

This is the first time I'm writing in a commentary on Zen, so don't be harsh!) I haven't yet found how to address the author by name, so I'm sorry! The author wrote an interesting article, I hope that the facts stated in it are true. It was touching, yes, in this very expression, how the author wrote the article and at the same time try to remain neutral to contemporary burning topics. I will try to follow your destiny, and hope that in the near future such tricks will no longer be needed.) P.S. Zen provides an opportunity to respond to a commentator personally, and not comment on a comment? I'm waiting for the negative, without this it's boring!) The most interesting ones will be given a personal phone number.)))

Answer 18
August, 2021

It is believed that the Gaussian curve of the distribution of intelligence in men is simply wider. This ensures that there are several champions at the right edge of the curve that women cannot reach. But overall, the area under the curve (intelligence) will be the same for all 486 genders. And another consequence of this distribution is the left side of the curve, where men cannot remember how a horse walks.

Answer 19
August, 2021

You are absolutely right. At the highest level, FIDE itself found that women are weaker in chess and do not have the opportunity to compete on equal terms with men. Otherwise, no restrictions would be imposed. Of course, this is a very offensive limitation. chess is not a power sport, but an intellectual one, and here the gender division looks especially strange. But, it is difficult to argue against the facts, and they confirm that in an equal intellectual battle against men, the weaker sex has little chance of winning.

Answer 20
August, 2021

It is wrong to transfer the characteristics of the best to the average man or woman.

The fact is that men are more different than women. The best and worst in most parameters among men differ from the average man more than the best and worst among women from the average woman.

Therefore, in many areas, the best among men turns out to be better than the best among women. At the same time, the average men and women may not differ, or, on average, women may be better than men in the same parameters.

The same is true in the opposite direction.

If only competitions in idiocy were held, men would also be winners ...

Answer 21
August, 2021

Generally speaking, there is hardly any need for this. The reason for women's lagging behind world champions in terms of rating is essentially only that there are several times fewer women in chess than men, and naturally there is less chance that a woman will get to the top, and there are very few professional chess players in general. Look, for example, how many grandmasters there are in Zimbabwe - zero. But this does not mean that the Zaimbabweans are more stupid than others. They are just less interested in chess, that's all. There is essentially no need to separate male and female competitions, it makes no sense. Women could play normally with men of their own rank. I don't know why it still exists. Although women have the right to participate in men's competitions, men have no right to participate in women's competitions (even if a man's rating is much lower). There is no logic in this, it just remained in fact as a tradition, probably. Personally, I am very interested in playing with women, and it's a pity that there are very few of them in chess.

Answer 22
August, 2021

Not really. There are no "separate for men", there are - open to any gender. Men are not allowed to participate in women's competitions, but there are no championships where women are not allowed!

The brain is the same organ as the heart, muscles, liver, etc. And its development somehow depends on gender, affects inclinations, abilities in some areas. Chess is probably one such area. But this is not intelligence, it is a very specific setting of the brain to subconsciously enumerate positions. By the way, great chess players in life do not really shine with intelligence.

Answer 23
August, 2021

No, it doesn't. Why?
It is known that Brazilians play football best.
Does this mean that they are genetically better adapted to play football than anyone else?
No. It's just that in Brazil, football is a national sport, i.e. almost everybody plays it.
Accordingly, football talents are easily and in large numbers revealed almost from childhood.
will not play and his talent will remain undiscovered.
The same is with chess.
There are few women in chess, this is an unpopular sport for them, few people want to build a career on chess.
Accordingly, potential champions, equal men, instead of playing chess, go to business or somewhere else.

Answer 24
August, 2021

Of course, this fact is a recognition, but they do not speak openly about it, because this fact refutes the assertion that women have a moral right to equality, because they are equal to men in everything.

Agreeing with the opinion that a woman is not inferior to a man in intelligence, you will receive numerous support, as well as many plausible explanations designed to confirm this point of view. I was very amused by the opinion of the person in one of the answers that chess does not characterize the mind. Brilliant conclusion about intellectual play. It remains to believe that the barbell does not characterize strength, and marathon running does not characterize endurance.

However, you have eyes, ears and a head to see, hear and draw your own conclusions. It's up to you to decide which is more important to you - truth or political correctness.

For good reason, I must add that chess is not the only intellectual game. There are also Go, Shogi, in which international championships and competitions are held. In particular, shogi - Japanese chess has been very popular with women from the very inception of the game, however, the position in Go and Shogi is the same as in chess. Women are inferior in absolutely all intellectual competitions.

It is true that the female potential, I draw your attention to this word, - potential - is inferior to the male in most categories, but in some, on the contrary, it surpasses. Women's superiority categories are focused on the birth and safety of a child, this is an invincible feature, which no man is capable of, training will not help here.

Nature has given men more so that they can protect women from external threats. This mechanism, coupled with intelligence, ensured survival and domination for humanity on the entire planet. Therefore, the division into the weaker and stronger sex is true and real, and its denial is false. This is not surprising, because social architectures are often based on beautiful lies. Since you have reached the truth with your question, despite the saturated garbage background, therefore, you really have clarity of mind and freedom of thought. My respect, keep up the good work.

Answer 25
August, 2021

First of all, I would like to immediately put forward several theses (my personal opinion), whether you agree with them or not - it's up to you.

  1. Chess is an intellectual sport.
  2. Moreover, chess шах intelligence, just like sports точно health.
  3. If a person is a very strong chess player, this does not mean that he is extremely smart.
  4. Chess certainly serves as an excellent tool for the development of memory, logical thinking, attention, perseverance, intellectual endurance.

I think that in general I answered the second part of the question, it is impossible to objectively compare the intellectual data of men and women solely on the basis of chess results. Moreover, a much larger number of men play chess, this is what I am telling you as a chess teacher / trainer.

Now let's return to the first part of your question, why women and men play separately. The fact is that professional chess players have such a concept as FIDE rating. This rating is formed based on the games played with other professional chess players. For example, Ian Nepomniachtchi played quite successfully in the first half of the Candidates Tournament in Yekaterinburg, he added 10 points to his rating. To simplify it completely, then: you win - the rating is added, if you lose - it decreases.

And here we are faced with a cruel, as it may seem to someone, reality, let's compare the top ratings of men:

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And women:

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It's easy to see that the difference in ratings is enormous. Between Magnus Carlsen and Hou Yifan the difference is more than 200 points, between the top 10 is about the same. This is a real abyss. It's like between a FIDE master (2300) and a grandmaster (2500+). It is also worth noting that in the top 100 strongest chess players there areThere is only one woman, Hou Yifan.


(Hou Yifan)

What are the reasons that women play chess weaker than men can be argued for a long time, and I see no reason to this loop. If you are interested in the opinion of a professional chess player, check out Anna Muzychuk's interview (3x world champion - 2x blitz, 1x rapid, 3x European champion - 2x blitz, 1x rapid, vice-world champion 2017) on this topic.

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(Vera Menchik)

Grandmaster Kmokh remarked: "If Vera Menchik gets more than three points, I will enter the women's ballet." When Menchik scored third, Kmoh was visibly nervous. Another point, and - a word is a word - I have to go to the ballet, but somehow I didn't really want to. Fortunately for him, Menchik stopped at three points. With another famous chess player Albert Becker, it turned out much funnier and more instructive. He had the imprudence to joke, they say, let's createdim a club named after her. Only men who had lost to Vera at the chessboard were proposed to be admitted there. Those who draw with her will become candidates for joining the honorary club. The irony is that it was at the same tournament that Becker lost to Vera and became a member of this club, and then by a general decision he was recognized as the permanent president. In the end, there were 147 male chess players in the "club". Exactly the same number of candidates were numbered.

Judit Polgar (one of the three sisters-chess players), who has never fought for the female chess crown, but has always played among men, is the rightful successor of Vera Menchik's case. Judit received the title of male grandmaster at the age of 15. She became the youngest gross at that time, even surpassing the achievement of Fischer, who somehow joked that she could give any woman a head start and still win. To which they replied, they say, Fischer is Fischer, but a horse is a horse. In 1991, she became the Hungarian champion (among men), won super tournaments in Hastings, Madrid, Jakarta. At the tournament in Wijk aan Zee in 2003, Judit Polgar took second place (8 out of 13 points), behind only Viswanathan Anand. Judit beat Anatoly Karpov, Garry Kasparov, Vishy Anand and even the current world champion Magnus Carlsen (when he was even younger).


What do I want withto conclude this extremely long answer, to which it seems to me it would be a crime to answer shortly, follow stereotypes or newfangled trends. For, as it seems to me, any question should be approached from different angles and points of view.

Men on average play chess more, and much better. It is completely incorrect to compare the mental abilities of men and women just because there is only one woman in the top 100 of the FIDE rating.

And for those who like to find a correlation with mental abilities in such things, I can also add that in the same top-100 rating there are Russians, Poles, Americans, there are Arabs, Indians, but no, oh horror , not a single black chess player. What a twist!

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